Forged has ratings and reviews. Bill said: Bart Ehrman is a legitimate scripture scholar who began as a fundamentalist at the Moody Bible Inst. Forgery and Counterforgery The Use of Literary Deceit in Early Christian Polemics Ehrman has produced a learned and engaging survey of early Christian. On Friday I will be giving a talk at a symposium at York University in Toronto that will be focusing on the use of forgery in the early Christian.

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He has published a number of books on the non-orthodox communities of early Christianity and the literature they produced. Jan 26, Rusty rated it liked it Shelves: I earlier mentioned the poet Martial, who was incensed that other poets tried to pass off their own work which he considered vastly inferior as his.

The Gospel of John, the last of our canonical Gospels, goes a step farther. I have two questions loosely connected to the post but more connected than any other Baet can find on the forum.

Why Christians Lied When Writing Polemical Works

A couple of delicious examples. Kujau claimed, evidently in all truthfulness, that he had not written a word of it. If you had the ori- ginal, you knew you had the author’s own words, not some kind of error-ridden copy botched by the local scribe.

Within the former category are the four vorged plus Acts and Hebrews; none of those six documents makes a claim of authorship on its face.

Forged: Writing in the Name of God by Bart D. Ehrman

I lied to his face. The poor man was so over come by allowing the nasty Jews to convince him to kill God that he became a convert bwrt Christianity, even writing his own account of the death of Jesus. Peter, not to be outdone, calls out to God and deprives Simon of his power in mid-flight. Is lying ever justified? So he removes the tuna from the hook, throws it into a nearby pond, and orders it to come back from the dead. Part of what I’ll be showing in this book is that this view is flat-out wrong see Chapter 4.

If scholars who think that 2 Thessaloni- ans was not written by Paul are wrong— that is, if Paul really wrote it— then it shows that Paul himself knew of a forgery in his name that had come to the Thessalonian church.


He speaks a word, rorged the man fully from the dead, and has him speak. Michael LiconaPh.

Many of the books in the bible are not written by who they claim to be written by. I attend mass once a week; I send my children to Catholic school; my wife teaches at Catholic school; I am a semi-active volunteer in my parish community; I even play in the Sunday evening worship band. Written in a manner accessible to nonspecialists, Ehrman argues that many books of ehrmna New Testament are not simply written by people other than the ones to whom they are attributed, but that they are deliberate forgeries.

The views found in these writings were often deemed “heretical” i. God, who is supposedly all knowing would have known though that the people would repent and that he god would not destroy the city. The modern discovery occurred in orduring an archaeological dig near the city of Akhmim in Upper Egypt.

Review of Bart Ehrman’s book “Forged: Writing in the Name of God” – Risen Jesus, Inc.

Some have fantastic stories of Christ and healing. So- metimes lying is the right thing to do.

This book covers lots of new ground for me and, like his other books, is remarkably interesting. Jude Ehrman offers one argument for inauthenticity, and mainly a discussion of why someone would be motivated to forge this epistle. Only slowly, in modern times, have ancient books come to light that support alternative views, as they have turned up in archaeological digs and by pure serendipity, for example, in the sands of Egypt.

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Bart Ehrman successfully argues, moreover, that the term pseudonymous doesn’t go far enough, that the term “forgery” is more precise, and that it is so because of the negative connotations, rather than in spite of them. There were a few notable exceptions such as 1CThe Gospel of Peter, 1D torged was read as if it were scripture by some churches in Syria for a while.

But Ehrman rightly in my opinion replies that, whatever reason the forger had in mind and however noble it may have appeared to him, it is still deceit. So, if it can be soundly concluded that some of the New Testament literature were not written by the traditional authors, should the guilty literature be removed from the New Testament canon?

I would suggest, in light of the above, that Paul in 2 Thessalonians is not aware that it is his own letter — 1 Thessalonians — that has been misunderstood, and therefore, that someone forged a letter in his own name is simply a possibility that he froged covering.


It is by and large perfectly acceptable from an orthodox perspect- ive, but several verses might easily lend themselves to a docetic reading. Professor Ehrman has two children, a daughter, Kelly, and a son, Derek.

Within the latter category are the fogged 21 books of the New Testament. He also doesn’t have much truck with conspiracy theorists and if you want to know more about that, by all means go on to read his book on The Da Vinci Code for giggles!

That some of the books vart the New Testament were not written by the apostles whose names are attached to them? He also gives overwhelmingly credible evidence to the fact that writing pseudonymously e. One thing we may note to start, though, since it affects many of his arguments: I would suggest that every Christian read this book, but you could give all the evidence in the world – you could give concrete proof – that the Bible is an imperfect, fallible, and very human book, and most Christians would still believe it’s forgec inerrant and perfect “Word of God.

The notion of “fiction” is very interesting. Stoics taught that people should re- move themselves, mentally and emotionally, from the pain and anguish of this life to experience inner tranquility of spirit. Only Jesus’s death and resur- rection could forgfd salvation.

Oct 02, John de’ Medici rated it really liked it Shelves: However, I am of the opinion that if there is no direct word from the Creator than we should not have to follow some good, some bad rules in order to receive eternal life. At best these would be educated guesses, at worst they would simply be made up, reflecting the scribes’ opinions, not Paul’s. As a preterist I consider such objections to be void. For many of his narratives, his Church History is the only source we have.

He takes on and goes a fair way towards persuading me that the old chestnut that the ancient world had a relaxed attitude about forgery and aggressive editing is just a convenient circumlocution. Ehrmna, however, does not explain what he thinks the heresy was.